1841/51 census lookup Joseph brown c1776

[chezzz]

Looking for info on Joseph Brown c 1776 served on the victory in trafalgar and married a sarah dont know maiden name. They had a child called elizabeth born c 1829 in gravesend elizabeth married a henry webb . Joseph brown was a 'greenwich pensioner' and all come from greenwich and the surrounding area would be grateful on any info thanks


chezzz

[M. Laverty]

Joseph and family are here in 1841:

Residing at New Road, Woolwich Arsenal, Greenwich:

Joseph BROWN, 65, labourer, yes
Sarah BROWN, 45, no
Elizabeth BROWN, 13?, yes
William BROWN, 13, yes
John BROWN, 10, yes
Charles BROWN, 8, yes

Here are your family in 1851:

Residing at Cannon Row, Woolwich Arsenal:

Joseph BROWN, head, 57, laborer, born Woolwich, Kent
Sarah BROWN, wife, 56?, born Yarmouth, Norfolk
John BROWN, son, 20, unm, coal porter, born Woolwich, Kent
Charles BROWN, son, 18, laborer, born Woolwich, Kent
Emily BROWN, niece, 2?, born Woolwich, Kent
Charles CHAPMAN, lodger, 20, unm, coal porter, born Finchingfield, Essex

I found William, 23?, laborer, still living in Woolwich with wife Amelia, 21?, born Woolwich also, at 38, Union Street.

Residing at Wood Wharf, Greenwich:

Henry WEBB, head, 25, waterman, born Greenwich
Elizabeth L. WEBB, wife, 23, born Gravesend
William F. H.? WEBB, 2, born Greenwich

Interestingly, there is next door to Henry:

William BROWN, head, 64, waterman, born Greenwich
Sarah BROWN, wife, 65, born Greenwich
David Geo. BROWN, gson, 11, scholar, born Greenwich

Margaret

[chezzz]

Thx margaret thats definately them and interesting about the neighbours having the brown surname ......thx again

[justnell]

I came across this site and thread last weekend. I’m not certain how the forum works but I am adding to the thread and hope it reaches the attention of Chezzz. Perhaps I should have sent a Private Message, but by adding to the thread I hope others who read it may be able to contribute with information or ideas.

I descend from the above Elizabeth Brown and I’m very interested to learn how Chezzz links Joseph Brown of Victory to her. There has been a story passed down my family that a Brown in the family was on Victory at Trafalgar. My mother thought he was an officer, (which I know is incorrect), was wounded and had a silver plate set into his head (I haven’t checked this yet). My aunt believed he was "just a greasy gunner.”

Since, in addition to this family story, Chezzz links Elizabeth Brown to Joseph I feel there must be a link one way or another. However Elizabeth was not Joseph’s daughter.

My grandfather Alfred Daniel Webb was born at 33 Wood Wharf Greenwich in 1859, 6th out of 10 identified children of Henry Webb and Elizabeth Brown. Their 1849 marriage certificate, which I have, shows both their fathers were watermen and both were named William. Thus Elizabeth was not Joseph’s daughter as set out in the original enquiry and the Joseph details given in reply are probably not relevant. I have always assumed William Brown 64 and Sarah 65 living next door to Elizabeth in 1851 were Elizabeth’s parents. Elizabeth was living at Victory Place, Newington Surrey at the time of her marriage.

There are so many Elizabeths, Williams and Sarahs around that I have failed to identify with any confidence any earlier details to link the family line back to Victory.

I will be very interested therefore to learn the information Chezz has that links Joseph to the Elizabeth Brown who married Henry Webb.

Census Look ups. Can someone say if the 1841 census shows a likely Elizabeth Brown with parents William and Sarah? Any Brown’s at Victory Place Newington, where Elizabeth was in 1849, or at Wood Wharf Greenwich in 1841. Any other Josephs in the area born c1778 in the 1841 and 1851 census.

In just a few days since learning the name Joseph, I have found quite a bit about him, but no birth, marriage or offspring information. He was an Ordinary Seaman on Victory, age 27 in 1805. National Archives lists 7 ships for him showing service from 1803 to 1814 and gives 6 pay book references. I plan to go to Kew before too long. From the Old Royal Hospital I have found out he was born 1778, wife Mary, applied for pension 1817, awarded 1831. He came from the Spitalfields area of London and was a silk weaver.

By coincidence, in just over a weeks time, on 22 October in the Painted Halll at the Old Hospital there is a talk entitled “Meet Joe Brown”. www.greenwichfoundation.org.uk. ( I tried to copy this as a link to click but it did'nt work). I hope to get up to London from Reading to see what I can learn.

Quite amazingly he had his portrait painted. You will need to type as far as .uk as a clickable link hasn't worked)
http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/server/search_word/brown/change/server.php?show=conMediaFile.8216

If Chezzz has other items of interest please let me know. My prime concern at this stage however is to learn what it is that links Joseph and Elizabeth. Any suggestions from anyone will be appreciated.

[justnell]

I have just clicked on the links and they now worked OK whereas they didn't work before I submitted the reply.